Bring Jarel Back to Civil Petition

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[zachofblades]

ok, i havent been on in a while so i missed it... but even if i saw it my reply stays the same...

unsigned

even though jarel can be cool sometimes he still got banned and has to deal with it

if he wants back into civil so bad he should perma die, go on a pk run for a bit and have a friend kill ya..that simple

Originally Posted by sherman

2. Swear words are necessary to prove a point, the fact that civil chat's rules and punishments have been beefed up while the forums have gone to hell.

If the forums are so relaxed on swearing, then why have you bothered to bleep out the swear words in your posts?

As for the petition, it remain unsigned by me for two reasons.

#1:I never knew the player so it would be rather stupid and pointless for me to sign it.

#2:
http://forums.nodiatis.com/forums/ga...-channels.html
http://forums.nodiatis.com/forums/ga...oderation.html
Read them and weep. "Nothing offensive will be tolerated." On that note, Jarel has a lower chance of returning to civil than any of us seeing sherman speaking in a polite and civil manner.

I think some people are getting a little over-excited over the situation.

While I really REALLY appreciate and am touched by the concern of the persons and friends who tried the way of the petition (expecially LadyAmalthia who launched the topic ), I personally never asked the staff for an unban nor questioned the reasons of it.

If the point of the discussion is changing the rules about sanctions, maybe you should move to another thread and just forget about my specific case, my alt works just as well for talking in civil and pm's/group talk are still there too.



Just relaaaaaaaax.

Hey Shinami I bleep out my words for all the little kids on here who want to cry at seeing a swear word.

1. Those rules are for civil and uncivil chat...not forums.
2. Forums used to have strict rules, but now they are so relaxed no one gets strikes anymore.
3. If I felt like using a polite tone I would, just look at suggestion threads and find out.
4. Quit assuming and actually read.

Jarel now that you have finally spoken and said that, maybe now this thread will end.

Originally Posted by sherman

Jarel now that you have finally spoken and said that, maybe now this thread will end.

It's not like you were helping in any way toward this goal, man.

Lol I know, I don't support bending the rules anymore.

Free Jarel from banishment... after he has served his time for being silly in civil^^ It doesn't stop him from being [uncivil] in PM lol

Pooooor Jaaaaaarel Big suxxor meeeeeanie Jeff

Ruuuuuuleessss are big suxxor meeeeanies tooooo. I haaaaate ruuuules!

[Darkshine]

Well, I don't know Jarel, and I've never been to carebear land (civil chat), but I do know this.

The ban enforced upon someone breaking a rule in civil comes with a warning (Be nice, or be banned)

However, this is only visible when right clicking the menu options for selecting things, such as chat channels.

It appears to me from the descriptions others have given, that the ban is an automatic process, driven by a set of parameters, code, and keywords or phrases.

If this is the case, Jarel has no case, as one of those aforementioned things was triggered, exiling him from civil. Ergo, you do the crime, you do the time. The fundamental principle of how our society works. However, we also give criminals a second chance as well.

But if for any crime committed, the penalty is death (i.e. permaban from civil) and there is a warning (be nice or be banned) stating what the penalty is, if Jarel activated the trigger sequence of code banning him from civil, he is guilty of violation, judged by the code, and the script of permaban executes the punishment.

Now, the argueable semantics are: His good marks for being helpful, voluntary moderation of civil conversation, and so on and so forth. However, if he is reinstated, then by setting precident of you can be banned and then unrestricted, to avoid potential lawsuits(yes, it is possible, however silly it may be.), and other unpleasantries, Glitchless would be obligated to unrestrict all users previously banned from the civil channel based upon this incident.

According to the ToS (terms of service) agreement, they do not have to do any of this. The ToS basically states that: This is our product that you pay to use, not own part of, and we can still do anything we want to it, within it, or changes to it, with or without notice. Check this box to agree to this, or you don't play.

Ideally this is set up to remove them from all liability, but not due process of suit. They still have to go through the motions of defending against a lawsuit, regardless of whether or not it will be dismissed. They have to treat each one as a real one. (Or rather the lawyer(s) do.) That does cost time and money. The other downside is, if they irk enough players off, income from the product will diminish, which in this writer's humble opinion has already started to happen.

A simple solution to all of this? Reinstate Jarel, reinstate everyone. No problem. Change the permaban to a 1 month ban and a 3 strike rule. That way you don't get put to death permanently simply because you tripped over some keys while typing.

This also gives those that have been banned an opportunity to show that they have changed their ways, and have learned higher communication skills than what a retarded monkey possesses.

But of course if retarded monkey-speak is their preference, you only have to put up with 3 words from them over a 3 month period and then no more ever. Additionally, at that point you could also permaban the log on address from civil as well as the account, so that they couldn't create more accounts and do it over again.

People who accidently mess up and mistype a word that triggers a squelch, would have a month to think about increasing their typing skills as well. I personally suggest displaying what word triggered the squelch so that glitchless covers their assets that way.

But in closing, the real raw ugly truth in all this is Glitchless doesn't have to do what their players demand, ever, even if it is "only fair", "makes sense", or is "the logical course of action". I have found in my marketing and business law experience that a multitude of businesses both large and small, are run by those that don't have the "sense God gave a goose." They are in it for chasing one thing... $.

The irony is that the best Glitchless customers don't constantly complain, it's the people that spend the least.

Originally Posted by Ravenskar

The irony is that the best Glitchless customers don't constantly complain, it's the people that spend the least.

I disagree: I know quite a bit of regular customers who constantly complain about something concerning the game (in chat, at least), and quite a number of persons who never have spent a single dollar on the game, buy their TC's with in-game money and just keep doing their thing happily (I count myself among the latters, this is just a general remark ).

I'll explain it then a different way. The people that drop the most cash can't be bothered with constant crying and they don't do it. Regular chatters and best customers are hardly the same people. Classic example, when is the last time you saw Rayzor in forums crying about who got squelched?

Nor will you ever.

[Hunters Bane]

1337 chat color ftw

Originally Posted by Ravenskar

I'll explain it then a different way. The people that drop the most cash can't be bothered with constant crying and they don't do it. Regular chatters and best customers are hardly the same people. Classic example, when is the last time you saw Rayzor in forums crying about who got squelched?

Nor will you ever.

But as I clearly stated, I was talking about in-game chat, not forums.

That was the best you could come up with to try and get the last word and bump your post count to 100?

[andyrogan]

The paying customers have every right to complain about about things as they have spent real money to play.
Non-paying customers don't contribute to the upkeep of the game so really can't justifiably complain about anything

Originally Posted by Ravenskar

That was the best you could come up with to try and get the last word and bump your post count to 100?

ROTFL I didn't even notice the post count XD (but last word ftw! ).

lol I got it to 100, and have absolutely nothing more to add so there... *sticks it to the man*