5th Pilgrim reward

[neco]

Can I make a small suggestion for finishing 5th Pilgrimage.

A town only 5th level pilgs can enter, with a reward of say 9mins extra RT if they are in the town during server reset.

Perhaps even a potion only 5th level pilgs can buy thats SB.

Maybe even a special pet or weapon, or a tool that works for everything.



ps. we need a new Town walking skill please

[Brookeland]

Something to make the whole process worthwhile, would be a great incentive for toons that would not normally consider doing 5 pilgims apart from extra stats and bragging rights that is.
Could be as little as clan getting 1k xtra rp for u logging in or maybe it even showing on your personal xp donated to clan. or maybe a topslist for toons that have undertaken the whole grind. just a few minor suggestions, or a choice of Legends would be max reward.
I know its easy for us to suggest after doing the 5, but would be nice to get more "90's" so we could maybe move on, I'm guessing we are going to 100 because of epic/legendary beast's lvls from time to time, so come on guys lets be having you ;-)

Support

[neco]

ps. 5th Pilg should be made much harder now I've done it

[Davross]

Guess it might help/encourage people to reach the milestone.

[klawer]

So, I've joined the club, and on the 15th , and started my fifth pilgrimage. Since I don't plan on using TCs to complete it, the journey will take a while. I am guessing about 6 or 7 months more, judging by the looks of it so far.
Since we've not received any reward so far, for the ones who've already finished their last arduous last levels, I do have a couple sugestions.
And, since people can pose the argument that pilgrims get epic health, and other benefits, I would also like to point out, that we do not get it for free. Those benefits come from spending time and resources ,into one of the most difficult, or at the least longest, paths the game has. So, said benefits are conquered, not given as rewards.
The things I've thought about as possible rewards, do not impact the gameplay directly, and could also be obtained by using in game mechanics, which mean no unfair advantage over any one else.
First, after completing the LAST pilgrimage, a FIRST class change could be offered to the player, in the same way as taking a pilgrimage. The player would talk to the Seer, and ask for a ONE TIME ONLY, first class change. Most people reroll before starting their pilgrimages, to make sure they get the best dps class + adventure class, as either first or second class respectively ( according to playing style ), to start their pilgrimages. So, if a once in a life time first class change was allowed, they'd not need to reroll again, after the pilgrimage is finished, to go back to their preffered classes/play style.

OR

A free custom face could be offered once the last pilgrimage was completeted.

Both rewards could easily work retroactively, since the players that reached level 90 already may, or may not have rerolled again, and many have already custom faces. So, as long as they are 90, a one time only first time class could be offered, by talking to the Seer, OR if they already have a custom face, 9 free changes could be offered instead.

[Nemesiss]

think a permanent +10% gold/all xp boost upon completion would be the most practical, or something along those line. the one time primary class change sounds good tho.

[Neela]

I support this aswell, cause im still on and off of doing more pilg cause my luck of killing the beast is too low so for that reason it wont be bothersome. So a reward of SOMETHING would be nice, and i do agree it doesnt have to be something big but still something worthy..

[Blaze]

Current benefits for doing 5th pilg:

Can max hp bonus. Tho this will take years to become a viable reason for 5th.
Stat/hp boost from being a higher level. Roughly 100 hp per level (depends a lot on bonuses) and ofc the 12 stats per level.
Level suppression. It's a lot easier to hit a Grey Mob (85) than a black Mob (90). Level advantage has its perks.
Less penalties on skills. 99+ are only max pen levels. (so omg they already get a 10% exp boost you could say.)
Can drink higher ranked potions (the rare potions such as abundance go past level 85. 90 can drink 1 rank higher I think. Rest require potionmaking skill).

These are all decent bonuses. Sure they may not be entirely worth the huge commitment.. But no one forced anyone to do all 5 pilgs. And the people who did all 5 pilgs knew the pros/cons going in. Do we really need more easy buttons and bonuses? Sure it may be quite a challenge to get the bonus. But still.

Don't really feel it's needed. If you don't wanna pilg. Then don't. No one forces you. Same for pvp. Same for high end pve. Do what you WANT to do.

Note: I don't support the bonuses. However a 1 time primary class change I could support. People like thorin have super high epic skills and absolutely refuse to reroll. Would be a nice non op reward.

[klawer]

The bonuses would be awesome, but I don't see them happening.
But, rewards have been offered before, like putting up a bounty for high end bosses. It was not needed, since you get the learning experience reward from quests. That is honestly not worth the effort people have to put up, to defeat those bosses, as I am sure anyone that has done those quests will know.
A reward is, on the other hand, just that, a reward. Just like no one pointed a gun at us and forced us to take the pilgrimages, no one pointed a gun at people to do boss quests, and rewards were and are still offered for those.
So, I am not asking for the benefits I will conquer, but for something to be offered as extra for the completion of a hard in game endevour, that no one has been forced to take but that ALL players can do.
Would be nice to hear from Glitch if anything else will be ever offered,

[klawer]

And, one thing I forgot to mention is that when you start picking favourites and dropping names, saying " this and this person could potentially benefit from it ", makes the whole idea of fairness go down the drain.
It can potentially benefit everyone that takes the 5 pilgrimages equallyt, but doing so just to benefit the ones that refuse to reroll already screw people that had high epic skills and rerolled anyways, either before, after or in sometimes doing it both times for the pilgrimages.
Again, it has the potential to benefit everyone, how much one could take from it depends on how wisely that specific reward was used, IF ever implemented.
However,, if I was Team Glitch, reading this and weighting everything up, but trying to take a fair approach, I'd say the idea itself was already tainted, since some people would get the short end of the stick, like Neco, who I believe mentioned he had epic skills up to 97, before rerolling. So I would kinda forget it, and no favourites would be picked...

[Blaze]

That's the issue with adding bonuses this far in. People still complain "I rerolled a month before boon got added".
People still complain "I destroyed so many epics before we could equip them without virtues".
People complain "I did pilgs and fixed stats BEFORE adaptation and pilgrim pots came out" (hell davross did all 5 that way).
"I had to buy lgs on an alt then unsb in t2 for my low level char (ones like bumperassassin) that way he can use. Before they were unsb automatically."
"Backing my day I had to walk 5 miles, uphill, in the snow, both ways just to go to school"

How many patches have we actually had people didn't get the short stick on in some way? Not even counting things like bms having stalking broken for years and crap.

Hell the 9 free changes are more trash unfair to people with customs. Omg I can change my face 9 times. I'm totes gonna use that. (setting aside the fact that they'll need to either learn how to make a face or pay an artist like jewal several tcs every time for more faces).

The only one I actually liked was the one you suggested. But you're dissatisfied with it now. So. Leave it as is

Indeed no one forced us to do the boss quests. (and 3 of those rewards are unrelated to boss quests. 2 were for soloing bosses. 1 heroic grouped. All 3 pointless to do aside from that. Except something nodders love. Bragging rights. Kinda like arena.) and the bounties were 1 time only so still not much point to doing most of them. An optional thing.

And like you said. You're not asking for benefits you will conquer. You just want a free handout cuz why not? "I climbed mount everest. Give me a million dollars. I completed a very hard thing. Every other person can climb mount everest. So why not give it to us?"
Because you chose to spend your free time doing that? So you clearly enjoy it? If you don't enjoy it... Why are you doing it? Aside from hoping for a handout.

[Neela]

Ty blaze after reading your post i REALLY dont feel like doing any more pilgrims... But why not an extra rune slot? something easy but good enough to concider a pilgrim cause the chance to even kill the epic beast is very low..

[Blaze]

Chance to kill isn't too low. Just gotta spec for it. Either uptiered bm/dcdd or need to be vamp or tact and group said high dpses. People like Phantomrocks, me, Darklords easily kill beasts. You just need to actually choose your setup rather than grouping willy nilly.

[klawer]

Well, honestly blaze, you got your point of view, and I got mine. The bounties for bosses are free handouts as well, and I am both happy for the people who got them and for the benefits the rewards brought to people who use those LGs.
Only difference is that I doubt the bosses would be soloed or defeated, if the rewards were not offered, as they probably entitled plenty of deaths from the people who soloed said bosses.
Whether people would totally change faces or not, they'd still have the option. But really, the class change I sugested would benefit much more a very specific part of the pilgrims, instead of the whole lot of people that could actually enjoy something nice . So I am against it now.
Only thing that comes to mind ithough, is that I remember you wanting to change the PK system, to give possible PKers all the benefits of going PK but removing any possible risk by simply " paying insurance ", as your sugestion implied, and that is probably the biggest handout I'd ever saw someone ask for in Nod.
My sugestion was for a fair reward, for effort put into a specific goal, that nowaays is probably the longest and hardest challege the game has to offer, PVE wise.
So,. to each their own opnion, mine, is that you don't want a reward given out, because you know you will never do the 5 pilgrimages and that you are negatively biased because of that.
Of course, you can prove me wrong at any given moment, and I'd love that, because then you'd be the one asking or demanding for a handout.. Then again, don't do any pilgrimage anymore as well. No one is obrigated to do them, to enjoy Nod.
I would really like for you to prove me wrong though, and do them all, because then you'd annoy Glitch, endlessly for any sort of reward.

[Blaze]

I'll do all the pilgs. As will most everyone. Every time I reach a new epic quest cap I'll pilg. I piled at 20%. Next pilg is 40%. It'll take some years but eventually I'll reach 80%.just like dozens of others are doing.

Doubting the bosses would be soloed. Well. Xshad soloed 132 boss before bounties existed. And Dan soloed 140 boss/118 heroic boss for no prizes (and those are the current nod records) as the prizes were 134 heroic solo (unclaimed) and 138 solo (which Daniel also did. But Xshad claimed the prize so Daniel also did that one for fun)

Insurance thread. Rings a bell. Ah. After some searching found it. "pks only lose what they have on them". Eh. They get what they risk then. If they go pk with an uncommon setup not many they can kill. If they go pk with full lgs/gems they lose that if they die. I won't go pk either way so idc much if it gets implemented.

And nah. Things I'd pester glitch about are more along the lines of stop nerf in rushers for crybabies. Actually make winning arena worth it (how many Champs spent less than they won? Top 10 ftw.)

But yh. We won't meet eye to eye here. Doesn't matter anywho. Even if one of us changed our tune still all comes down to glitch . my arguments on forums may be against other people... But the important part for me is swaying glitch. It doesn't matter if everyone in nod disagrees with me. If glitch agrees I win. And vice versa.

[flipynifty]

100% potential HP bonus isn't prize enough?

[klawer]

Nah, I will say it is enough, when people who actually went through the 5 pilgrimages say that they were totally worth it, and would not like an in game gift, instead of something they earned through grinding.
But, indeed, no way we will see eye to eye, since arena is completely pvp, and pilgrimage can be tuned to benefit both pvp and pve players. And, arena is something that really doesn't need any more rewards. Top 10 already get plenty enough. See, that is my opnion now?
Again, however, I would love to hear Glitch's input in it. Since what I see is someone sour because he won't ever finish it, not wanting others to get somehing he could never get.
Although, you can prove me wrong atny moment... I don't see that ever happening though The more people that finish it, the more reason Glitch would have to add stuff geared toward pilgrimage accomplishments.

[Darklords]

How about a rather simple reward? such as on completion of 2nd pilgrim you can task a 2nd time for free in a day? on 3rd you can do 3rd and so forth?

Pro tip: if you dont task daily you will never need to pilgrim again :P

[klawer]

DL's idea seems pretty nice and simple. Would also motivate people to hunt beast some more.

[Joanna]

There is enough of incentives for completing pilgrimages .

Besides if there is a reward for it Glitchless would need to change "pilgrim" to "career"or "competition" etc.

The name is picked for a reason and has its meaning - irl if you wanna pilgrim you never get rewarded for it (other than spiritual reward) - not even that , you need to pay to be able to do that as there is associated costs with it.

This topic leads nowhere and nothing will be done.