1Hand Pierce Bloodlets

[Devilz]

Glitch I remember that awhile ago you buffed 2hand pierce bloodlets not sure how long ago but I was just wondering what you're going to do about 1hand pierce..

With Legendary 1hand pierce my highest bloodlet non-crit is 66. With crit strike my max is 131.. When I use weighted the max I can get is 262 bloodlets, with deathblow and weighted I can get over 450+ bloodlets, but that requires for me to get a 1.5k crit which is rare.

I am not rogue as first or secondary class but I'm rerolling into that soon. But even with the 33% It doesn't add that much damage maybe 20+ more bloodlet damage for non crit weighted..

Also I just wanted to say a BM can outheal my pierce dps lol

[Glitchless]

We're always open to suggestions about game balance. Since your only point of comparison is in reference to vamp BM healing, it is difficult to judge if there is really a need for a change. Are you claiming 1H piercers do significantly less DPS than all other melee builds with nothing as a tradeoff?

[Devilz]

Are you claiming 1H piercers do significantly less DPS than all other melee builds with nothing as a tradeoff?

Yes that is what I mean. If you want I can screenshot my average hits for you and you can see for yourself.

Also all my main pierce dps skills are 99 except vengeance and deathblow

[Devilz]

Now, this is in N.lake so hits are better than usual and considering I have almost all haste bonus reckon the fast attacks and the double attack bonus on the LG piercers.

And non-lg piercers is not even worth going for. The dps on them is complete fail. But you should try for yourself and you'll see

And PvP is a whole new story, I can't make make a scratch on anything that heals or is any kind of tank.

[Lurkee]

healrs OP
nerf healzers

[Devilz]

Here are some screenshots I took in arena.. It might not show much but the DPS is pretty bad.. and if the opponent vamps just as much as I deal damage it is pretty lame

[Hoodrat]

Poisonbolt PvP in damage bonus is a huge bonus, don't ignore the armor avoidance for a huge damage boost... doesn't help bloodlets from mitigation, but at least you can get some decent hits in that case.

I thought the point of 1H piercers was for stable DPS and not big hits? Your piercers have very low delay compared to 2H weapons also.


Also, this is arena rush and most people are using high ranked potions as well as miti gear and whatnot. I don't even do much damage to some until bonus starts.

[Devilz]

I thought the point of 1H piercers was for stable DPS and not big hits?

The thing is that it's not stable dps. My average hits with them in PvP is 50-200 with 66 bloodlets and if I get lucky I might get a poisonbolt and or a triple/quad hit. Thing is if I"m fighting any kind of vamp they can easily outheal that within 1 to 2 hits if they get a good crit. Shadow in one of the screenshots vamped 433 with one hit, 1h pierce can't compete with that lol.

don't ignore the armor avoidance for a huge damage boost

Huge damage boost makes me laugh.. But yeah I do see the odd 300 and 400 crits if that's what you mean by damage boost.

In my opinion 1h pierce is the worst melee class in the game but I'm sticking with it even if Glitch decides to not buff it.I'm going try to make it work

[hotshot64]

Problem is you're not providing much in the way of an explanation here. Screenshots are cool, but screenshotting a few hits doesn't really say much tbh. Post some maths of your actual dpd vs armored and unarmored opponents, as well as that of a comparable person with a different build and let's see what the numbers are.

[Devilz]

Problem is you're not providing much in the way of an explanation here. Screenshots are cool, but screenshotting a few hits doesn't really say much tbh. Post some maths of your actual dpd vs armored and unarmored opponents, as well as that of a comparable person with a different build and let's see what the numbers are.

I think I gave my point. Now if Glitch cares he can do the testing himself, it shouldn't take too long since he has the admin powers. I don't care if Pierce gets a buff but in all honesty it NEEDS it.

And if there are ANY other 1h piercers out there (whcih there probably isn't) post your opinion

[Devilz]

Or I can duel you Glitch so you can see the numbers for yourself, than duel someone who is a different class and compare

[Hoodrat]

You also are comparing your DPS to others who are full specialized LG gear for their weapon choice and max skills, when your skills aren't all maxed and your gear isn't optimal.


Not saying they do/don't need a buff, just saying there are a lot of factors.

[Sezr]

Do not forget that rogues(most common class for piercers I would argue) get a nice bonus to poisons. Add that with ranger earthflow bow, the torture rune,and a secondary that boosts green gems, and those green poisons hit like a truck. Just as whips won't out dps a crusher without pets, do not expect piercers to out DPS other forms of weaponry that require a complete devotion to melee for full damage. Piercers can be utilized quite effectively with 'low' dex(500-550) allowing for specs into cnc, mre,pre or even cnt agi and reg. DPS isn't everything.

TL;DR Try something new if you are not happy with your current build.

[Devilz]

Try something new if you are not happy with your current build.

Like I said I don't care if 1h pierce gets a buff or not but it should alteast be looked at. Everyone posting here has no idea if 1h pierce would need a buff beecause NONE OF YOU have tried it, 1h pierce has been pretty much extinct for how many years because of how bad it is. People choose the builds that are the strongest and you can't deny that, there are no good piercers for a reason. No one gave it a fair shot because it doesn't have potential, it's not because it has potential, if it had potential more people would of tried it.

[Devilz]

You also are comparing your DPS to others who are full specialized LG gear for their weapon choice and max skills, when your skills aren't all maxed and your gear isn't optimal.

My main dps skills are 99, that doesn't include deathblow and vengeance. I am missing 1 LG leg and that's about it. My gear is just fine considering 5% to crit is better than a DS leg that makes me deal 2.25% more max damage.

[Sezr]

There you are mistaken. I have put a considerable amount of time into piercer of all forms. 1h piercer has enormous potential if you 1) get more than the 433 dex you currently have 2) try casting DD's with that huge boost to DD crit rate 3) take into consideration the ability for piercer to completely ignore AC and 4) take into account that piercer's damage is heavily reliant on skills(bloodlet boosting,puncture) and this allows for the reallocation of stats into different specializations.

TL;RD Try something new if you are not happy with your current build.

[Devilz]

1h piercer has enormous potential

That's why you are 2h pierce lol. Because 1h has so much potential.

And I already tried using DDs with this build and let me tell you it wasn't that great. mana consumption is too high for non-staff users so I needed like 400+ mst to cast a few gems. Doing that made me lose a lot of the melee dps making it completely not worth it to get the piercers. Might aswell go staff damage and cast dd's

[Sezr]

I was more interested in making a Hot/DoT piercer,so I picked the piercer that had a boost to double cast, not to DD crit.
I have even tried blue DD, and got that to farm DMV in less than 30 seconds without LG's. You can make those piercers work, just need to start thinking outside the box.

[Devilz]

I was more interested in making a Hot/DoT piercer,so I picked the piercer that had a boost to double cast, not to DD crit.
I have even tried blue DD, and got that to farm DMV in less than 30 seconds without LG's. You can make those piercers work, just need to start thinking outside the box.

You shouldn't need to make a hybrid build to make up for the loss of melee dps for a weapon type.

And I had lots of thought about this build with DD's, tried it out and it's not worth it. if you can just go caster, add str and hit higher with the staff and DDs.

And these piercers do work obviously, but can't compete with any other melee weapons out there.

[Sezr]

Why would you not go hybrid? You lose very little and gain a lot. Why do you think the weapon has that ability? It is there for you to use. So use it, or change the weapon. That would be like using the piercer that gives a boost to slasher damage with another piercer. It would make no sense. You are not fully making use of you items. I do not know how else to explain this concept.