Where is the draw gone?

[paulodjohn]

This is a thread about casters. About how they are relatively useless to use anymore. Their used to be a draw to DD casters.

People that liked to see the huge numbered crits casters could do. Now them high numbers belong to 2hs and slashers. People that loved to farm fast, now you have bms with all this gear towards pets damage/heals making them pretty fast and consistent in all level zones. Much preferable to the 30 click casters who see half of them turned to resists. People that liked to draw gems fast had it as a caster. then came deft recovery, now everyone can cast as fast as they can click. Even melee users have more % chance to hit with gems then casters do for god sake, gears with 20% bonus to double cast and 20% chance to hit with all attacks. why is it that melees can land more gems then casters. seems like 800 cnc counts for nothing when you have 20% chance to hit weapon equipped. Casters used to be among the top for solo bosses.. worgen quickly changed that to be a walkover for whip users. Don't even mention heroic bosses as i am sure casters wouldn't last 20 seconds to those whippers have beat with ease. As for pvp if your a caster and alone you are easily brushed aside by stuns / huge crits and the lack of defense to even make a single parry every now and again. All of these things the casters had going for them are long gone, and if melee can incorporate some smart gem choices and builds into arena you shall see casters fall even lower down the scale. Its bad enough that they suck 1v1 against nearly everything now but to be lesser farmers too makes it even worse.

One could try to use spellbound gear with more % hit chance but then what use would 400 or so int/cnc be against 350 cnt / high magic resist skills and an aura. you land a hit but it does 500 damage. seems worthless. With the introduction of lg pet crafting you can see BMs taking over more and for the others that don't do much damage with pets the 10% mitigation provided by each timmy will be well sought after and lessen even further the capabilities of DD casters.

Seems now the only thing special about DD casters is that they have to click 30 times before they can kill a heroic mob.

[Lurkee]

You already made this thread

[paulodjohn]

you already showed that your simple minded

[marzus]

It`s not in my mind to be rude, nor I support or be against your opinion. But do you think glitchless gives a **** ? Most likely you`ll get an answer similar to the one gave in the piercer thread.

EDIT: And if anyone else is wondering: Yes, I am full of hatred!

[dOWNer]

its my fault , when i switched to caster they became doomed
your fault too for killing me

[Glitchless]

The 127 hero boss was killed with DDs for the DPS. You should remember, you did it. DDs have plenty of draw. Don't expect any buffs from this whine thread.

[paulodjohn]

with everything basically maxed. their is no way to further improve unless i drop the staff

[Lurkee]

lolly, gotta love that pauly-D logic. i maxed out my character therefore I am underpowered. right up there with i think therefore i am

[paulodjohn]

well when people had bm skills maxed they got an epic skill and same with stats :P

[Hoodrat]

Originally Posted by paulodjohn

well when people had bm skills maxed they got an epic skill and same with stats :P

Omg here comes Lurkee logic:

Stone and Water is under Life Magic; therefore, it is a caster buff !!

[>.>]

Originally Posted by paulodjohn

well when people had bm skills maxed they got an epic skill and same with stats :P

Neco, and im guessing davross before reroll, has every single trophy skill capped except the epic skills. By your logic every category would get a buff based on there being no room for improvement via skills.

[scrambles]

I have a gut feeling that when epic player hp bonus comes out, lg gems may come shortly after. The evolution of a build requires patience since the game is under an on-going process of change.

[Jadakris]

I hate to disagree with Paul because DD are seriously lacking in endgame arena.. They went from being the most overpowered type of DPS and then new gear came out that completely nerfed them.. anticaster gems and stuff was plenty along time ago.. I could kill OP casters on Jada who was mediocre at best with an anticaster pouch..

But at the same time, you can't really give them anything else, they have a staff that give hit% which I'm sure you use..or have used.. but anything more in terms of damage might be too much because of how rapid they can be shot

[chloe]

ok, so someone builds an anti-caster build (which will most likely suck at defence from any other kind of attack, or be pretty useless at anything BUT killing casters) and all of a sudden casters suck?

im sorry, but just because paper beats rock, doesnt mean the rocks need a buff all of a sudden.

someone has invested in the soul purpose of defending against casters, so funnily enough they can defend against a caster, i bet if you went at them with a 2h crusher you would pwn them.

back to casters being 'underpowered' now, im pretty sure damage wise, they can still produce the most damage in the shortest amount of time. its not the highest damage, but they do a significant amount of damage in a short amount of time. sure 2handers crit more, but casters can fire off alot more gems in the same time it takes for a 2h to swing again.

and if you still feel you are hard done by, ill give the adivice i was told by people when casters where the top of the king.

if you dont like it. reroll

[Fior]

Buff archers!

[Gooddevil]

There's plenty room for improvement here:

1. New auras that benefits DD and nerf dot at the same time to keep balance
2. Legendary gems.
3. Make overcrit work with DD gems.
4. Make deft recovery ignore auras
5. Introduce pets supporting casters (DD wise not reg/heal)
6. Ability to equip bow set (staff benefits nullified if auto shoot)
7. Epic skills benefits DD casters

And so on so on.....

I believe sooner or later some of those might happen because we might end up having too few cookie cut builds to choose from

[Border201]

Originally Posted by chloe

back to casters being 'underpowered' now, im pretty sure damage wise, they can still produce the most damage in the shortest amount of time. its not the highest damage, but they do a significant amount of damage in a short amount of time. sure 2handers crit more, but casters can fire off alot more gems in the same time it takes for a 2h to swing again.

That makes sense until you enter a PVP battle or other encounter that requires any sort of aura gem. In PVP you can have 3 slots taken just from aura's leaving you with 2 slots assuming the first slot is a recast. So best case lets say you get lucky with Incantation and score another 2 recast gems. With that set up you now can cast 1 gem every 3.3 seconds with all 3 going off in 4.5 seconds. Most 2 handers swing near that speed but do more damage, and this only works when you have the energy/mana to supply those gems. The fact that to be functional in pvp requires these aura's puts us at a disadvantage as our choice is lose a recast gem for a resource one and wait for a DD to get drawn again (lowering our thru put), drop an aura and risk those consequences, or go completely dry.

In my mind a damage buff isn't what's needed for the spec but the room to place enough gems to be viable as a sustained DPS spec that IMO we are modeled around, where our gems can be bursty but no were near the burst that a 2h with weighted is. Otherwise the utility of DOTs is the only spec that will fair well for casters in really any setting above fungi forest and any pvp in general. My thought on that would be to have 1 or 2 more slots that only fit non aura type gems, that way aura's can't be abused by 1 toon. But give us the space to actually ramp up our damage to the sustained levels I feel we were designed around.

[chloe]

you can sacrifice those auras for gems and just cast shatter cast shatter, i know a couple casters who do it as the dps is pretty damned fast at just a golbal cooldown time

[Border201]

Which goes to one of the points I made. That tactic has the draw back of being knocked out with 1 simple stun, and with us being much more fragile due to no archer gear (tempers) that 1 stun can be enough to kill us outright, something that melee/archers don't suffer from.

[chloe]

true, but it doesn't help casters when you build yourself s to be glass cannons either, half of you have low defense stats because its all about dps, then complain when you die.

i just see no originality in alot of casters build, they go same gear, same stats same gems, half of me is surprised they dont pick the same face and background.

also when in arena if you have a tank (wich most teams do) the defense auras are pretty pointless and you can shatter and be insane dps again.

its just my opinion that you guys dont need any of the buffs i have heard suggested without being insanly overbalanced into your favour