Ranger Class changes

[Murdoc]

Okay, it has been suggested in civil quite a few times, but it looks like those ideas never made it to the forum.
As it is, the ranger class is kinda generic and unhelpful. Green gem boni might be cool for a few heals and even make green dots slightly better than black dots (if ranger is your primary class.), but why not just go black dots and be done with it?. the bowdmg bonus is fairly small compared to the archer class and as secondary class it is almost totally inferior to DK.
As it stands its just a class for those who cant quite decide whether to be archer or druid. Kinda wonky all things considered.
What has been proposed is to make the ranger class a little more defensive by giving it a bonus to kiting and perhaps one with nature. It would further increase archery builds potential for hybridasation and would make the class truly unique.
as mentioned above, this is not originally my idea, but it came up in civil and seemed worth posting.
Input is very welcome.

[Hoodrat]

2H Piercers first. You can get in line, thank you.

If Rangers think a little something is needed, then perhaps there could be an addition to increase 1%-3% of defensive archery skills????

[Murdoc]

2h pierce is hopeless.
its a trap, if you stay 2h pierce for longer than 3 months, social services will come and take your brain away. youre not treating it right.

[chloe]

lol i support, and i think 2h piercers may need a buff in a whole, last i checked there was not a class 2h piercer :P

[Rakar]

Many caster and melee classes offer many different ranges of bonuses for the classes that can help make different builds better...the description of the Ranger class would fit well with a kite bonus chance similar to what you see out of the tactician class bonus to parries or the guardian class bonus to blocking... Archery users have the ability to make great use of damage avoiding skills already it's true, using a whip and growls and puttin on a shield to get half the chance to block and such, but making that Ranger class a more defensive archery based class would be a nice change to see as it would open the option to have both ends of the spectrum with the actual Archer class giving a max hit bonus and the ranger class giving a damage avoidance bonus...Many players that are currently using ranger class are using it just because they've been it for years or because it has fancy cool make it rain ca yo...

switching the classes damage bonus with an equivalent chance to kiting is all i was thinking, still keeping the green bonus as glitch has stated the class was meant to be a hybrid class at the very base, but then would give archery toons a class that gives them the option of being more defensive minded rather than trying to drop ranged nuke crits with the archer max damage bonus..

I think it would be completely worth looking into switching up the bonus to the Ranger class to a bonus to kiting and even this late in the games life would still be a good addition to making the hybridization in nod yet still even a bit more unique

[Murdoc]

Its not about def skills per say hoods, its about ranger class being halfassed. its neither here nor there as far as boni are considered, and a change towards a more defensive role would open up new avenues.

[Hoodrat]

Then all you rangers need to pool ideas together and find a common idea that might work and if Glitchless think it is ok, then maybe it might not be half-assed anymore !!

[Huggles]

Pro tip: writing posts in English makes it so there is actually a chance that Glitch will read them.

[Murdoc]

You lost me there. I cant seem to find a post in here that was not written in english.
Is there a point to your helpful comment?

[Rakar]

sad shame all civil turned into was a high horse riding insult fest when this came up awhile ago lol...ppl seem to think that bm archers don't have to give up another class bonus to take this as a second class to get a chance to kite a lil more and lose even more bonuses that they currently use to "rule the world" shame i thought this was a legit idea that could help make the class a lil better even though it has been changed before...giving ranged users the same opportunity to have an offensive class choice and a defensive class choice like other classes offer

[>.>]

If there was such a glaring problem with piercers as you are suggesting hood, then it would have been found and not had spent 2 weeks testing.

I think a chance for kiting (like 2-6%) and maybe bonus to One With Nature. Im not talking a bonus like for tact (6-9%) because that would be rather OP. But something that would make it so DK as a secondary over ranger would be a harder choice than it is now. As is DK = more pet damage and aura bonus, ranger = Green gems. A majority of Archers chose DK as a secondary because they opt'd for the pet damage since the green damage bonus can be negligible and there is a small bonus to ALL DoTs rather than strictly green so they can use the blacks as well.

I think making the ranger class a "tactician for archers" would be a good change

[chrisdj]

this has been pointed out before after the DK class got buffed that it makes ranger class rather crap the bonus to green gems is to small to make this class stand out in it's own right!

I support these changes proposed to this class in this thread it would make ranger a viable class again having bonus to kiting and one with nature is a good move in my book

[SilverLink]

What about changing the 'green' to 'dot gems?' If needed so people don't whine about dotters, add a clause 'only when auto shooting'

[Sapreaver]

As it stands now with the archery bonus and the green magic bonus it is a versatile hybrid that combines bow with magic and can be boosted and specialized even more with secondary class by taking druid or archer. No changes are necessary to the ranger.

Energy replenishers are green
Poison and bleed dots are green
Heals are green
Green DDs are green.(lol)
These all get boosted just choose your second class for augmenting the first rather than a whole new slew of abilites.

[>.>]

I think the focus is to give archers a defensive based class similar to tact or guardian for melee. And to actually have a reason to pick it over DK as a secondary.

[Rakar]

has nothing to do with the tiny green gem bonus, would rather see the bonus to ranged damage be a bonus to a damage avoiding skill thus giving ranged users the option to pick a class for offense or for defense, even if the class got a complete overhaul and lost the green bonus, which won't happen of course, players with the ranger class right now and I bet every single one of them would let out a pretty big whoopy! lol but it's pretty doubtful any change at all would have ever happened anyways

[Bren_nerb]

If this ends up being changed I want a free tc so I can re roll and change my class from ranger for free or for my classes to be changed from ranger* to angel and 2nd to be wiped because I didn't roll ranger for it to be anything other than what it is.

Don't get me wrong, good on you guys for announcing an idea that will benifit you but for me it's not what I want for my Nerb Account.

The only problem I think Ranger has is it's ability is offense based and for some reason can be used after a mob is dead which is has no purpose but to piss me off and start cooldown for no reason. THAT can be fixed.

[Rakar]

rogue?

[Bren_nerb]

Originally Posted by Rakar

rogue?

Oops my bad, I read it wrong. Sorry

[chloe]

only problem i feel there is with implementing this is if someone wanted to be pure bow dps, and picked ranger to have a nice bonus to green dots as well as a bonus to bow damage, they will not like this change.

however my personal feelings are that it would fit in with the character description better, and with DK people who are going to pick ranger can still get a bonus to archery damage with that class.