paypal time cards

I think paypal time cards should be tradeable.

Is there a reason why the Nodiatis team does not want to make paypal time cards tradeable?

[Lantash]

I think its all because of being way too cautious about possible paypal fraud...

I agree that direct "once off" creditcard swipe using paypal can be a fraud...BUT for those who are regular paypal costumers? Its bordering with insult compared to other type of eWallet users...
Ever heard of confirmed address term in Paypal? It pretty much eliminates fraud...at least to same lvl as other electronic payments...

I agree I have used paypal for almost 7 years. If they were so worried about fraud from paypal then they shouldnt use the paypal service at all or be at equal grounds with the other options.

Actually if you really look at the paypal TCs youll notice they are only $4.99. Then look at the tradeable TCs, they are $7.95 for the instant ones, or $5 (plus you pay to send the money through mail) and wait for regular mail to run.

I for one would like to see TCs from PayPal to become tradeable as I am a PayPal confirmed user, and I have never retracted a transaction or disputed a claim. Why should I be considered a flight risk here, when anywhere else I use my PP acount Im trusted?

But, then again, this is not my decision as I am not the owner. They have their reasons and I accept it.

*I doubt this rule will change anytime soon.*

[Valiumandritalin]

Since the price difference is that much, I shouldn't complain.

But I could use the extra gold from auctioning TC's.

Maybe a better approach could be this:

Make TCs from PayPal souldbound for say a week (after a week Glitchless should be covered for any hacks or disputes). After the week is up, the TC becomes tradeable. This way Glitchless is covered, and everyone is happy.

Paypal transactions can be contested for a max time of 6 months, so someone can charge 300 bucks in paypal transactions wait this week you suggest then sell trade transfer etc, 6 months later they can still reverse the charges and get thier loot back, Paypal while nice is also the most dangerous place to buy and sell because of the ability to simply retract your payments for so long a time in the future.

Its happend before and will continue to happen and its a risk some game creators are not willing to take.

[Lantash]

Hang on a second..TCs are not the only thing you can purchase here with Paypal...in fact you can purchase absolutely any other service using Paypal without any limitations, only service with restrictions is purchasing TCs...
Where is sense in that?

Timecards can be traded, grinder/accel/virtue pack/premium/standard can't.

The idea is that if you scam Jeff out of some time cards, it puts free time cards into the game. He can ban the account that purchased the time cards, but if they're not soulbound, there is no guarantee that the scammed items were removed from the game in that banning.

With accel/grinder/standard/premium/virtues, if your payment is reversed, the character is banned, and the upgrade is banned with it.

It's a matter of Jeff ensuring that if he gets ripped off, nobody profits from that reversal.

I just had a long discussion about this in game with style....

I have a thought that may help get this set up..... If an activation is requred, like an activation e-mail for things purchased, the game creater would have proof of purchase to show if any problems arise, that they could show to paypal or the other services to prove that service was rendered and payment is confermed.

It all has to do with leagal stuff, so if he can get some proof similar to an electronc signature on a recipt, he can keep people from scamming with paypal, and allow us to get what we want here with the security of paypal.

Alother lvl of security would be to only allow thoes with prem/standard accts in place to buy sellable TCs through paypal, allowing suspension of their acct, if the player reveces the payment. Other porblems may arise, but that is getting way to in depth with this, and I bet theoes problems are rare in the first place.

Also a trade tracing may be in order to help with this, wich will also preven tp[layers from having multiple accts sharing the same tools, weps, etc. By tracing regular transfers between players they can see who may be paying for a farm acct.

In other games players can only have one acct, I know may may disagree with me on this, but I feel that would be a good way to go here, and would stop farming by like 60 or 70%. I play and pay for 1 acct here, and would like to be able to do more. I want to be able to make some money by selling TCs to thoes who cannot purchase them with cash, and be able to get the weps I want.... I also respect otehr palyers here, and help answer questions, so I feel I have been a good part in helping many new payers. I have even invited many of my online frioends, so what I am saying is honest players like me feel we are being help back with these problems.

Ok this site should explain it all to you, Paypal Problems, Information, Issues, Class Action Lawsuits - PayPal, it is paypal not scamming that is the proplem, they make checks and lock accounts to protect themselves without informing the merchant or buyer. If the Merchant's account is locked or frozen due to a fruad check on the buyers funds, the merchant will still recieve money into their paypal account and will be unable to touch it for up to 6 months to 2 years, and this snowballs quite quickly as more and more untouchable money is deposited into the paypal account and the campany can't touch any of it.