Tank skills

[flipynifty]

Tanks are a great build but really dont have a lot of skills associated with them that are just for tanks.... As opposed to simply being a meat shield they could viably be a threat to others as well (tho dd casters and archers do get to hit themselves)...

Protection:
(lvl 60 skill)
Detrimental Reflection:

This skill gives up to a .15% chance per point in reflecting any detrimental gem used on you depending on your combined str and agi. Does not stack with deflective shield.

Enrage
(lvl 40 skill)
Every point in this skill gives a .10% chance to bash all enemies when fighting grouped and an extra 10% when fighting solo.

Steadfast Stance
(lvl 60 or 80 skill)
every point in this skill gives up to a .10% addition to blocking chance when the shield user is below 20% health depending on their combined str and agi.

[hotshot64]

The thing about blocking is you need to be careful when combining it with growl, prevent, etc, in order to not make it 100% impossible for the tank to be hit. I'm not sure what those numbers are, so a tentative agree there. Enrage is interesting, as is the first, but I'm not sure I'd support until I saw some numbers for why it's important put out.

[flipynifty]

they arent huge boosts, i added a note to detrimental one

[Nemesiss]

so last season, is me liten and krim on a team. we fight arachs team at that time. we kill all but arach and is just me and lit left full hp. arach pwns us both with almost full hp. didnt even scratch him till near end cause of never ending damage absord from deatheater lg shield. nothing against tanks but they sure dont need any buff.

the only exception would be torwards dots i think, but that would need to be for every1

[hotshot64]

Arach is an incredibly op tank, I rape most others. Whether tanks need a buff or not (I don't think anyone does) I don't think you can really compare him to most.

[flipynifty]

youd have as much trouble with anyone that overskilled

[Nemesiss]

he is a guardian as first class and for his skills since cap is 100 its pretty much impossible for his to be much higher. but if that were true then that would mean if these skills or ones like them were to be implemented because most tanks now do not have proper skills then once they do will be untouchable pwning machines all in one.

kinda like the bm f&i buff

[flipynifty]

Originally Posted by flipynifty

Tanks are a great build but really dont have a lot of skills associated with them that are just for tanks.... As opposed to simply being a meat shield they could viably be a threat to others as well (tho dd casters and archers do get to hit themselves)...

Protection:
(lvl 60 skill)
Detrimental Reflection:

This skill gives up to a .15% chance per point in reflecting any detrimental chance used on you depending on your combined str and agi. Does not stack with deflective shield.

Enrage
(lvl 40 skill)
Every point in this skill gives a .10% chance to bash all enemies when fighting grouped and an extra 10% when fighting solo.

Steadfast Stance
(lvl 60 or 80 skill)
every point in this skill gives up to a .10% addition to blocking chance when the shield user is below 20% health depending on their combined str and agi.

enrage is a 10% chance (at lvl 100) to bash enemies... this gives max 300 damage and a mess

detrminetal reflection gives ppl a reason to use shields against OP DoT casters, since they dont have the DPS DWers do or 2hers...

Steadfast stance is like deathblow... just with a shield

[jaym]

support

[tartz]

good idea for tanks....(me) :P

[flipynifty]

for any tanks really...

[Nemesiss]

tanks are fine as are imo keep in mind not from actual experience cause have always had dps char's just from tons and tons of duels/arena fights. wouldnt mind the enrage one to bash all enemies long as the % chance is realistic. against melee its pretty straight forward either block/parry/miss and some cases growl, vs casters is quite a few more. all are well enough and good enough in the % area to make huge diff in a fight depending on skills/build.

what you mainly need to think about and some doesnt apply to so wont have any consideration to it is tanks that have a healer as a teammate or grouped. 3x highly skilled fully decked out dps melee char's can not out do a single healer when on a taunting tank as my teams have proven many times over in arena, and in some cases even hard for caster teams. untill something is done about it (which should be on healers part) and is shown/proven many times that is needed, no support for tank buff's, least from me.

far as dots go, its pretty easy to make a full anti caster pouch which is quite effective when done good with taunts as well, and with replay just makes it all easier

[Nemesiss]

dont mean to look like im attacking you or your thread either if it does, flip. just what i think is right in the nod world.

[flipynifty]

omg ur attacking me irl! :P i was matching melee skills basically, i think whirlwind would be a good DWer skill, bash all would match

[Nemesiss]

lol... but tanks shouldnt match dw. dw is dps as tanks are dps stoppers. if anything they should cancel each other out. but 3x melee on one tank shouldnt. i also agreed with the bash skill tho :/ but if both were to be implemented, only one should work at a time.

[flipynifty]

In that case then double attack shoulnt go with slice... I still think these skills would be great and i think there should be more skills for all builds!

[Darkdingus]

I like the ideas if the percentages are multiplicative, not additive (i.e: When grouped, 10% chance that a bash hits everyone. When solo, +10% to the base bash chance (10-20%? I don't remember... becomes 11-22%)

I like the steadfast stance idea. Great.
It helps healers get the tank back up, and helps the tank survive that many more crucial hits.

[flipynifty]

bumpo

[flipynifty]

Still like enrage and steadfast stance

[flipynifty]

Need more skills before ppl run out of stuff to level