Virtues Patch

Originally Posted by cleanprophet

I only need a few more (5 or 6) to have all 30. At the moment, the only way to get all 30 is to buy the virtue pack or try to borrow non-SB epics from people to initiate the purchase of the remaining virtues.

I have almost all virtues that I can show in a trade window. I don't charge anything and there is absolutely no risk to either of us, seeing as you can buy the virtues without actually possessing the epics.

PM me in-game to let me know which virtues you need -- I'm usually on for a couple of hours after reset, and again between 1800-2200 server time.

Originally Posted by flipynifty

Does htis include resourcing exp, crafting exp etc?

Everything. I'm working on 85 foraging & my xp gain per pull went from 12k to 18.5k over night. (I have 30 virts)

[cleanprophet]

Originally Posted by thatperson

thats the whole point of the virtue pack pay the extra 20$ for the added convenience....ever been to a convenience store?

Ever heard of moving the goalposts? Because that's effectively what has happened.

The whole shooting match has changed, but the purchase policies have remained the same. In effect, the goalposts haven't moved. The whole damn pitch has, leaving the goalposts behind.

Now that virtues directly impact upon experience gaining, the whole purchasing system of virtues should be expunged and replaced by a straightforward system of a la carte virtue purchase. Pick the virtue you want and pay for it.

Originally Posted by cleanprophet

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Orrrr.... You could just PM me & keep your face the color it's supposed to be.

PS: This is for WW:

[thatperson]

Originally Posted by cleanprophet

Ever heard of moving the goalposts? Because that's effectively what has happened.

The whole shooting match has changed, but the purchase policies have remained the same. In effect, the goalposts haven't moved. The whole damn pitch has, leaving the goalposts behind.

Now that virtues directly impact upon experience gaining, the whole purchasing system of virtues should be expunged and replaced by a straightforward system of a la carte virtue purchase. Pick the virtue you want and pay for it.

ok so let me get this right
the demand for virtues goes up cause of exp boost so jeff decides to get rid of his convenience charge to buy them all at once?
really?
imo if ur this retarded im wasting my time but ill try to explain supply vs demand to you
more ppl wanting virts=bigger demand as there is an unlimited supply the demand doesnt appear to affect anything but it does.
imo jeff could actually raise it to 200$ base for the virt pack and ppl would still pay for it cause people like the convenience of being able to buy everything at once and thus are willing to pay for it

so if ppl are willing to pay u an extra 20$ to wash their car are you gonna say no ill just wash each individual piece for 1$ so u dont have to pay extra?

as for "Now that virtues directly impact upon experience gaining" virtues have always given u an extra 1% exp gain it was just increased to make up for the fact that they arent needed to use epics now

ur idea that this new system means that virtues should be buyable 1 by 1 is idiotic
buying virtues 1 by 1 would have made sense in the previous system where individual virtues were used for something particular
now individual virtues dont mean anything unless ur selling high level epics
it makes more sense now for jeff to have a virtue pack with a convenience cost now that they are all pretty much equal

best patch ever

[cleanprophet]

Originally Posted by thatperson

imo if ur this retarded im wasting my time but ill try to explain supply vs demand to you
more ppl wanting virts=bigger demand as there is an unlimited supply the demand doesnt appear to affect anything but it does.
imo jeff could actually raise it to 200$ base for the virt pack and ppl would still pay for it cause people like the convenience of being able to buy everything at once and thus are willing to pay for it

One of us is clearly retarded here, for sure.

Your notion of supply/demand is of comical proportions. You cannot apply an overly-simplistic concept to an issue like this. For a start, supply is not constrained and therefore fails to pertain to standard supply/demand theory.

To assume that demand will increase and that more people will spend money buying the virtue pack is madness. Why would you assume something so lazily?

I have no doubt that the numbers who purchase the virtue pack are minimal and that will not change. It will not change because a lot of people simply do not have the disposable income to squander as freely as you lazily assume they do.

Originally Posted by thatperson

so if ppl are willing to pay u an extra 20$ to wash their car are you gonna say no ill just wash each individual piece for 1$ so u dont have to pay extra?

...and the award for the most ridiculous and, ultimately, failed analogy goes to: You! That doesn't work fella. Just doesn't work.

Originally Posted by thatperson

as for "Now that virtues directly impact upon experience gaining" virtues have always given u an extra 1% exp gain it was just increased to make up for the fact that they arent needed to use epics now

ur idea that this new system means that virtues should be buyable 1 by 1 is idiotic
buying virtues 1 by 1 would have made sense in the previous system where individual virtues were used for something particular

1% was barely noticable. The current level of impact on experience gains is. This is why it is more of a pressing issue now than ever before.

Why is buying one virtue idiotic exactly? You never really explained that. I mean, after all, the last 6 or 7 virtues I have bought have been bought one by one.

As I understand it, virtues are not needed for epic items that are dropped. To buy or sell, you need to have the virtues. Is that not "something particular" or am I being idiotic and retarded?

Using terms like retard and idiot undermine any argument you are trying to make, but not as much as an argument that is fundamentally flawed. I believe being able to purchase virtues singularly as well as collectively will increase sales and more than cover the loss of this $20 convenience charge your so adamantly welded to.

This is my last post here as I have no further desire to waste time in useless discourse with someone like you.

Well cleanprophet is thinking from the consumer POV where as Thatperson is thinking from Glitchless' point of view... To say that the virtue pack should be disbanded would mean that Jeff hates money... (Nobody hates money) The virtue pack is the easiest most convenient way, so ppl don't mind the rip off... And Its not like Jeff hides it... It says right in there that its more expensive.

Originally Posted by cleanprophet

As I understand it, virtues are not needed for epic items that are dropped. To buy or sell, you need to have the virtues. Is that not "something particular" or am I being idiotic and retarded?

No need for virtues when buying an epic anymore. ♪♫♪♪♫

[thatperson]

at least someone on these forums understands basic business concepts

Originally Posted by kittn

its great cause now i can use epics

Hurray!!