Virtues Patch

[thatperson]

i personally dont like the idea cause for the last year and a half ive spent ungodly ammounts on virts ...guess i can make more money crafting tho as demand for lower lvl epics is about to skyrocket

[Destruction]

Oh...hell...yeah!

Originally Posted by richp

cannot please everyone all the time...

I think this will be nice for the noobs that did not want to fork over the dough to buy virts to use the epics they dropped.

My finances are really tight right now (my income as a taxi driver is commission-based and business is really slow now), so I can't spend any money on Nodiatis. Unlike most Ns, I kept the 2 epics I got as drops hoping to eventually get TCs with in-game gold to buy the virtues. Now I've already equipped one epic on my main (the other is on an alt). I love this patch.

Originally Posted by richp

it will be bad for pkers cuz there will no longer be any unsb epics sitting in storage so pking will become just a glory sport. pking for fun or just becoming an spk to gain crafting skills.

If a caster gets an epic bow as a drop, the caster has to get to town to put the bow into storage, so PKers will still get opportunities to steal epics.

As for SPKs, one of the recent major patches made SPKs obsolete. PKs get triple trophies now, but only for one week after PKing another player. An SPK has all the risk of permadeath without the benefit of any extra experience from the bonus, so SPKs are rare now.

[thatperson]

SPK is often a term used for the people who PK once a week and hide cause they generally dont do it at peak times so they are unoticed

[cleanprophet]

Now that having all 30 virtues has a very real and effective impact, can the game be amended so that you can buy whatever virtues you want?

I only need a few more (5 or 6) to have all 30. At the moment, the only way to get all 30 is to buy the virtue pack or try to borrow non-SB epics from people to initiate the purchase of the remaining virtues.

Surely it would be easier and better (especially now) to have a more straight forward means to obtain the remaining virtues?

Originally Posted by thatperson

SPK is often a term used for the people who PK once a week and hide cause they generally dont do it at peak times so they are unoticed

As a former proofreader, I'm aware that definitions can change over time. However, I didn't know that the definition of SPK had changed since that patch.

Obviously, richp was using the original definition of SPK when he said "just becoming an spk to gain crafting skills." Similarly, I've seen Nemesisknight using the original definition recently in civil. I'm sure you know that Neme got her crafting skills high as an SPK before the PK rules changed.

I like it. I switch between N and paid and I think that Virts still have a major use because it's not too often that you get an epic drop that you actually use. You still need to buy the virts to sell the weapon so they're still really useful. Now, they have a noticeable XP bonus too. Also, I think there should be a way to directly buy virts.

[orderr]

A pk with all of the virtues and accel could now get 18 times more xp so it doesn't ruin pks, however there needs to be some sort of a replacement patch that allows pks to get some good loot as well. Mabye expensive charms that add stats while being in your inventory, or rare/epic trade skill tools.

[Marianojoey]

I think this is ok as it is. Let everybody enjoy epics, and those of us that bought lots of virts, will have more xp than before.

I like this.

[flipynifty]

Does htis include resourcing exp, crafting exp etc?

[Lurkee]

That means with all 30 virtues you will gain double all experience gains.
i didnt bolden that, thats from the actual announcement.

[thatperson]

Originally Posted by Juan Arquero

As a former proofreader, I'm aware that definitions can change over time. However, I didn't know that the definition of SPK had changed since that patch.

Obviously, richp was using the original definition of SPK when he said "just becoming an spk to gain crafting skills." Similarly, I've seen Nemesisknight using the original definition recently in civil. I'm sure you know that Neme got her crafting skills high as an SPK before the PK rules changed.

um my current PK accounts are sitting in town reaping the passive benefit so jsut cause he siad to get crafting up doesnt mean he was using the original term

Originally Posted by cleanprophet

Now that having all 30 virtues has a very real and effective impact, can the game be amended so that you can buy whatever virtues you want?

I only need a few more (5 or 6) to have all 30. At the moment, the only way to get all 30 is to buy the virtue pack or try to borrow non-SB epics from people to initiate the purchase of the remaining virtues.

Surely it would be easier and better (especially now) to have a more straight forward means to obtain the remaining virtues?

the virt pack is the easiest way to buy ur remaining virtues ....thats kinda the whole point of the virtue pack

Its so sad cause i desctroyed a few epics with my alts a week or sth ago

Originally Posted by thatperson

um my current PK accounts are sitting in town reaping the passive benefit so jsut cause he siad to get crafting up doesnt mean he was using the original term

OK. I consider the tripling of trophies to be an active benefit of being a PK. What is the passive benefit?

[thatperson]

triple passive exp...

PKs get triple of all exp adventuring passive or active so im letting my PKs level up skills in town right now

Originally Posted by thatperson

triple passive exp...

PKs get triple of all exp adventuring passive or active so im letting my PKs level up skills in town right now

Thanks. I didn't realize that PKs get triple passive experience. I thought that the triple trophies was currently the only benefit.

[cleanprophet]

Originally Posted by thatperson

the virt pack is the easiest way to buy ur remaining virtues ....thats kinda the whole point of the virtue pack

Obviously.

It's also the easist way to rip yourself off. Okay, let's say you need 2 or 3 virtues to have the full 30. That would cost $15. Your suggestion is to forget that and pay $54 for the virtue pack? I hope you don't give financial advice to friends!

Some people simply don't have the money to buy the virtue pack. They instead buy virtues as and when they need them. Why should they have to pay $54 for a couple of virtues?

[Marianojoey]

Originally Posted by cleanprophet

Obviously.

It's also the easist way to rip yourself off. Okay, let's say you need 2 or 3 virtues to have the full 30. That would cost $15. Your suggestion is to forget that and pay $54 for the virtue pack? I hope you don't give financial advice to friends!

Some people simply don't have the money to buy the virtue pack. They instead buy virtues as and when they need them. Why should they have to pay $54 for a couple of virtues?

Dude, read the description of the pack: It costs 170 bucks MINUS 5 bucks for each virt you already have, so, in the end, you pay just a bit more than what you'd pay by hunting the virts one by one. IMHO, it's a waste, specially if you have just a few virts left to buy, but you can do whatever you want.

Good hunting

[thatperson]

thats the whole point of the virtue pack pay the extra 20$ for the added convenience....ever been to a convenience store? notice that everything there costs more than it would at a supermarket? convenience costs if you dont want to pay the extra 20$ (which btw if u needed 3 virts it would be 35 not 54) then track down the epics with the remaining virts

glitch isnt gonna cause himself to lose money by making it easier to buy for less the same thing with the same convenience for cheaper....if u think he is your prolly the most retarded person ive ever met (especially with economics)

Greetings...


I suggest:


Virtues required to:

Buy Epic Items
Trade Epic Items
Auction Epic Items
Dismantle Epic Items
Sell Epics to Store in town (and have it appear in Store Inventory if it is a paid account.)


Virtues -Not- Required to:

Equip Epic Items
Destroy Epic Items
Enchant Epic Items
Move Epics in your Inventory/Storage
Sell Epic Items to town stores at Half re-sale value (Epic does not appear in store Inventory - paid or non-paid account)


I would also consider a limit to the number of epics that can be equiped without the virtues - Maybe a maximum limit of 2-4 epics. OR - you might even make a new skill that allows the number of of your non-virtued epics to be equipped.

I also like an earlier post suggesting the ability of unbinding your epics (if you have the virtues for that epic)

Cheers' for a great move --
Remby...