arena

[Jobs]

Originally Posted by Trojan

imo builds are perfectly balanced there is counter for everything counter for healer is 2 dps these days atm there is no 1 build that can win against every other build so its perfectly balanced u will have to find counter to your opnents team


only thing that i dislike about arena is copy cats things that u do get copyied by somebody else and they use it better coz they have more resouces so all i wud like to say is that hope there was a way to keep ur startgy and builds hidden atleast til rush week or something atm u can keep coming up with different ideas and counters and the keep getting copyied its tyring and furstrating

LOLOLOL, really?

So which team copied you this season? And if builds are perfectly balanced why does the top 5 consist of dott gener and tank gener?

Just like every season the top teams consist of the same general build approach with slight variations (caster, healer, tank) just now all toons are capable of healing. If all builds are balanced why aren't there any teams w/o a caster? And why are the top teams all wearing timmys? Hmm...

Oh yea, and with 500 tcs in the bank tro how many out there have more resources than $2500 in game value that can amount to almost 400mil game gold in an instant.

[Huggles]

Originally Posted by Oneangel

I'm not saying that healers won't keep teams alive longer, I'm saying that by having a healer you don't have enough team dps to kill a toon using regen until past the point where heals become insignificant compared to damage multiplier. At that point it's obvious that the team setup with 2 dps sources will beat the team with 1.

Heal until bonus, switch to DoT?

[Oneangel]

Then why bother heal and not just dot regen?

[Trojan]

Originally Posted by Jobs

LOLOLOL, really?

So which team copied you this season? And if builds are perfectly balanced why does the top 5 consist of dott gener and tank gener?

Just like every season the top teams consist of the same general build approach with slight variations (caster, healer, tank) just now all toons are capable of healing. If all builds are balanced why aren't there any teams w/o a caster? And why are the top teams all wearing timmys? Hmm...

Oh yea, and with 500 tcs in the bank tro how many out there have more resources than $2500 in game value that can amount to almost 400mil game gold in an instant.

well i would like to reply u but ur just a troll coz your profile is new and this is your first ever post on forums which is kinda like attacking and less like asking question or advice so u can enjoy being an idiot and wasting ur time making fake profiles

[Oneangel]

Tro I understand why you say it's balanced...god knows you've been around the top of the pvp scene long enough to deserve your chance at champion and it would be unfair to change things this far into a season. The fact is there are only 2 viable builds that stand out in arena that give the highest burst dmg and that poison dots have a distinct advantage in that with an archer tanking for them they only need to get to a critical tick number before instant death for opponents. I stood up for healers a that's what I do but many other build types have huge disadvantages too. Dw toons don't have enough burst dmg, bm's don't have enough burst dmg, dd doesn't have enough burst dmg. Archers possibly do have enough if they can last long enough and get a lucky trishot in arrow rain but since the top teams all use dot an archers have the best magic defence...if you have an archer, you want them to be tank. Then there is the fact that melee teams rely on weighted steel, magic resist and regen auras to get to the point where they can do enough burst dmg to kill a tank or rely on bifurcated blade to get past the tank at half the burst dmg. If they loose their auras then their whole strategy is gone til they can re draw them and casters are much less effected by loosing auras so can spam apocalypse to tip the balance in their favour. I'm not asking you to give away tactics to beat you, but in a general way can you explain how this is balanced?

[Trojan]

Originally Posted by Oneangel

Tro I understand why you say it's balanced...god knows you've been around the top of the pvp scene long enough to deserve your chance at champion and it would be unfair to change things this far into a season. The fact is there are only 2 viable builds that stand out in arena that give the highest burst dmg and that poison dots have a distinct advantage in that with an archer tanking for them they only need to get to a critical tick number before instant death for opponents. I stood up for healers a that's what I do but many other build types have huge disadvantages too. Dw toons don't have enough burst dmg, bm's don't have enough burst dmg, dd doesn't have enough burst dmg. Archers possibly do have enough if they can last long enough and get a lucky trishot in arrow rain but since the top teams all use dot an archers have the best magic defence...if you have an archer, you want them to be tank. Then there is the fact that melee teams rely on weighted steel, magic resist and regen auras to get to the point where they can do enough burst dmg to kill a tank or rely on bifurcated blade to get past the tank at half the burst dmg. If they loose their auras then their whole strategy is gone til they can re draw them and casters are much less effected by loosing auras so can spam apocalypse to tip the balance in their favour. I'm not asking you to give away tactics to beat you, but in a general way can you explain how this is balanced?

when i said everything is balanced i mean everything is balanced as in everything have their own perks ... and also there is almost counter to everthing right now... i do understand to u it looks like u cant beat a shaft of death but they can be defeated

and trust me there is way more than 2 startgy that can win arena but if u say i pick one stratgy and use it against all the teams and hope to win thats not gona happen u have to chop / change pouches / runes gears according to your opnents all the time


also i do agree with u in some way that bms / melee are not that good in pvp maybe but i cant say for sure since i never tried them myself but they have their own farming perks a well made bm / or melee can farm way faster than a dd or dot caster and far easily / cheaply and on multiple toons


also i thank u <3 but i am not in arena to get champion title i mean it be great to have it and free lg but i am mostly in it for fun and startgy and tactics playing chess game with opnents


i hope i answered all of ur questions and hopefully u will agree some of them

[SiSiX]

...just a fading, memory...

[Oneangel]

Thank you Trojan and sisix for your replys. With 2 players that I respect a lot saying the same thing I am encouraged to keep going and try different things, maybe not as a healer but I'm sure I will find another role to enjoy

[berpy]

Originally Posted by SiSiX

But, I completely agree with Trojan, win or lose, it is grand game of chess

...


seriously, no.
this isnt a game of chess, don't make this out to being something so intellectual. this game is grinding and being able to change builds to counter players is huge pain in the ***.

The people who:
are addicted to the game
who grind and farm a lot meaning they have a bounty on resources and can get whatever gear they need
have so much time on their hands to experiment with the multitude of builds and learn specifics of crap
who make this game their life and try to make a name for themselves in this game

-will do best.

This game would be so much easier if all the information were clear and there wasn't a steep *** grind.

[Jadakris]

This is hilarious. When I complained about this starting 2 seasons ago everyone harassed me and defended healers and said I had no idea what I was talking about. When I said regen was too strong.. Again harassed and told I had no idea what I was talking about. And for the record, there is infact a counter to the last couple of seasons top teams.. But I'm not hinting anything anymore. Cause I'm going to be that ******* you all claim me to be. Just know this, Trojan is 100% correct. There is infact a counter to everything - it's just a simple fact that 95% if the player base is too dense to use them properly. And also you should sit back and just think that perhaps he wasn't referring to his team being copied, but other teams <coughs>
Just don't be upset when people keep on copying and next season we counter them

[chloe]

everything has a counter, but when something beats 90% of everything else and there is only one way to beat it, its kinda stupid, most builds have a couple of flaws they suck at, but recently a few un-named super-classes can only be beaten one way, and by choosing that one way to beat them, you leave yourself open to another umpteen ways to be killed.

just my feelings on it, not that it really matters or i really care about arena anymore

[berpy]

Originally Posted by chloe

... by choosing that one way to beat them, you leave yourself open to another umpteen ways to be killed.

just my feelings on it, not that it really matters or i really care about arena anymore

this is exactly how I feel about pvp, i aint played the game much at all. But I have browsed the wiki, forums and asked in game about stuff.

Originally Posted by chloe

just my feelings on it, not that it really matters or i really care about arena anymore

so I'm asking this seriuosly, if not arenas, what is there fun to do at end game? I want to know so I can decide to play this game or not.

I really did want to get into pvp, but if it seems one things beats another, but is also weak against so & so, it doesn't sound to be fun pvp. I used to play the first guild wars which had a very serious PvP, but you could easily change your build. In this, you're kinda stuck with what you chose leveling up.

[Jadakris]

It's all about making your team plyable.. Thing is once you reach a level like I have, all my archery skills magic skills an weaponry skills are 100 it becomes about timing and becomes interesting.. Slightly interesting.. But as far as the " a tank without archery skills can proc it etc etc " there is a huge trade off to using this approach.. Getting enough dex to actually hit enough means sacrificing str and or agi/cnt so you can easily nuke 1 stat but that makes you weak to another build.. Not to mention the tank without archery skills vs the tank with archery skills the one with the skills will most likely have slightly less chance to hit but it's so minut due to the fact that odds are the enemy team also has a tank and has a chance to deflect that it evens out.. Etc etc some peoples kids.. I tel you

[Jadakris]

Point is people like Chloe who have never even been in top 5 contention really don't understand that it's possible to have multiple builds/ pouches even if it's simply to counter 1 team..again not trying to be an ******* really, just saying the majority of complaints are invalid.. And have done nothing but ruin the game so far.. There comes a point where you have to stop lowering standards to meet those with lackluster drive and potential and elevate to actually balance those with the desire and drive to be at the top.. An the game is actually pretty damned balanced.. A few tweaks need made but nothing as drastic as ppl are saying

[Jadakris]

Also just going to mention the strongest team comp isn't even being used atm.. But it's actually kinda simple to counter.. Granted no one would even dream up what counters it.. And there is only 1 team able to do it properly currently.. And they don't care enough to do it I think.. Also there is actually a really sick team comp that it's possible to win with made from BMs unfortunately I personally ain't got the time or resources to do it this season or probably even next season.. It's pretty complicated aswell so it might not be possible to do single handly

[StormGuardian]

OMG u can haz multiple builds in ahreenah? NOWAI!!!!!

OMG KRIS u ez so smart! I wish I knew as much as youuuuu!!!

OMG 3 BM team is op? OMG someone is already working on it. OMG no it isn't me!!!!

OMG OMG OMG!!!!!

[Jadakris]

Sometimes I confuse your envy for hate. An it's way more intricate than just 3 BMs, thanks tho..but I'm sure you think you already know what it is and have some Smartass comment to make so shoot

[StormGuardian]

LOLOLOL i envy you, i hate you, there is no difference!

OFC it's just 3 reg BMs...nothing fancy...not! I don't give away build groups/ideas on forums.

All build groups will never be used...duh. You are so smart. I really do wish I was you.

There, I said it all for you so you don't even have to respond. Does that help?

[Jadakris]

No I just like talking to hear myself and make you smile

[Oneangel]

3 bm's with soul devourers also having reg suits to switch to when they take their turn with taunting would be interesting, though I'm sure the complex part will involve each bm having different def stats so one can be primary taunter vs magic using teams and another primarily tanks vs melee based teams. Still might struggle vs aoe dds and archers without one shield user though the team dps would be very high and negate taunts completely so would be one crazy unpredictable team. Tho tbh the hardest thing in arena is finding a team that can make it from the start to the end if the season without at least 1 member needing to leave half way through.

Oh...and happy Mother's Day!