New Melee Gem - Blood Rage

THEY JUST BUFFED 2 HANDERS huggles, this is not an oppurtunity to ask for MORE BUFFS to completely out dps the caster class so much that it is rendered irrelevent, you greedy little bastard.

Yeah lets give melee some epic crotch fireballs while were at it.

[Smashbros]

Originally Posted by cinderskin

Yeah lets give melee some epic crotch fireballs while were at it.

i support this!!

[Huggles]

Originally Posted by cinderskin

THEY JUST BUFFED 2 HANDERS huggles, this is not an oppurtunity to ask for MORE BUFFS to completely out dps the caster class so much that it is rendered irrelevent, you greedy little bastard.

Yeah lets give melee some epic crotch fireballs while were at it.

i was not asking for 2h buffs, i was simply pointing out that casters have nothing to whine about.

and smash, yes, we have cnt to mitigate caster damage, but casters have armor class for melee and bow damage. did i mention armor class does almost nothing against casters?

and also, it's hard to have decent cnt in pvp battles when so much dur is needed, and pvp is so heavily reliant on dur

[thatperson]

if u dont know how to balance cnt with dur you shouldnt be PvPing

casters are nowhere near as powerful as a well skilled 2her

[Raith]

Yeah this is needed about as much as gems need quad-casting.

[Smashbros]

Originally Posted by Huggles

i was not asking for 2h buffs, i was simply pointing out that casters have nothing to whine about.

and smash, yes, we have cnt to mitigate caster damage, but casters have armor class for melee and bow damage. did i mention armor class does almost nothing against casters?

and also, it's hard to have decent cnt in pvp battles when so much dur is needed, and pvp is so heavily reliant on dur

and with this comment here, you have further proved how little you know of the game.

[TemariChan]

Originally Posted by StormGuardian

Just an fyi temari...the 92 2H crusher can crit for 4803. This DOES NOT include a double attack. That would make it 9606. Smash is correct, highest reported is somewhere around 2600, that I've heard anyway. I'm sure there will be higher soon.

A 2nd fyi, the max possible cast from a DD is 4775. Double would be 9550.

I expect you to be switching to 2H sometime soon, now that you know. Cheers

Last time i checked there isnt a 92 2hd.... unless you ment to say the 96 2hd and yeah i do plan to use the one i have someday once that someday comes when im able to equip it and not 100% sure on how it can crit that high blah blah blah but im the type of girl thats subborned and you have to show me a crit that high or close to it for me to beleave it, you can do all the DPS math you want but until i see a picture of it, i dont think its that high not saying its not possible for a 2hd to get 4k but it wouldnt be a common thing like a caster can do with 2.5k+

[thatperson]

LOL @ casters commonly critting 2.5K


talk to MG about how high the 96 2her can crit

[StormGuardian]

Excuse me Tamari, typo, should be 96 2Her, my 2 key got happy and jumped the gun. but yes, the 96** 2H crush can hit 4803 max.

Also Luk, no where was I whining, hopefully if you were talking about casters whining it was toward Cinder. I was just simply making a point. Smash said what I would reply to you anyway. There is a possibility of avoiding 99.93% gem damage. So take that 4775 gem crit, hell, let's make it a doublecast, and hit for 9550. Then cast it oh, 1428 times to make sure we hit once. Even casting every second(it's really about 1.5 seconds), that's 9550/1428 DPS, or 6.68. Now, the 96 2H can double attack(I won't included bloodlet or possible pot, there's your answer BtB), every 40 delay, or ~5.7 seconds. With a chance to avoid melee damage of ~65%, that's 40.435% to block and 41.76% to parry, with first classes conflicting actually, so slightly less. that's still 9606*0.65/5.7, or 1095 DPS. ROFL. 2H 1095 vs DDs 6.68. Now who's talking?

Ok yes, these examples mean squat, but my point is, you can't assume a ton of things and prove it with numbers. You have to take into consideration everything. You are not doing this. It takes a lot more work that you probably even realize, even though you're trying to do a ton of math to prove points. Max crits...are great. It's awesome to see high ##s. DPS is solid, but with so many skills affecting it, and different types of defenses reducing that damage, along with better stats. It's almost impossible to get a accurate example. I started at one point to throw around some DPS numbers and abruptly stopped, because I realized there were so many other things I had to account for. Approximations are great, but are never spot on. So just...STOP throwing around numbers. Until you think you can incorporate everything. Dear sweet baby Jesus just STOP for a few weeks, and work on putting absolutely EVERYTHING into this, until you decide to spout numbers for certain types to get buffs until you KNOW FOR A FACT 100% that they need it. This is getting ridiculous.

[Smashbros]

Originally Posted by TamariChan

Last time i checked there isnt a 92 2hd.... unless you ment to say the 96 2hd and yeah i do plan to use the one i have someday once that someday comes when im able to equip it and not 100% sure on how it can crit that high blah blah blah but im the type of girl thats subborned and you have to show me a crit that high or close to it for me to beleave it, you can do all the DPS math you want but until i see a picture of it, i dont think its that high not saying its not possible for a 2hd to get 4k but it wouldnt be a common thing like a caster can do with 2.5k+

ok im just gonna do this easily, without alot of the bonuses.

its max is 257.

crush spec adds 25% = 321.

veng, adds 25% = 401

crit = 1203

death blow = 2406

then on top of that you have the warrior bonus, and the weapon master. aswell as rune of pain plus a few other things aswell.

so as you can see, it can get up there quiet fast.

also, casters cant commonly hit for 2.5k+, ill say yay 1100 crit in civil, doesnt mean i hit for that commonly. same goes with casters, if you ever played 1, you would understand

[Jadakris]

Not glass cannon enough, at all... and if it were introduced should be the MAXIMUM of 5% bonus damage and drain 50-75 mana/energy per turn..

But I'm sure alot of meleers would rather see a delay boost..

[Huggles]

Originally Posted by StormGuardian

Excuse me Tamari, typo, should be 96 2Her, my 2 key got happy and jumped the gun. but yes, the 96** 2H crush can hit 4803 max.

Also Luk, no where was I whining, hopefully if you were talking about casters whining it was toward Cinder. I was just simply making a point. Smash said what I would reply to you anyway. There is a possibility of avoiding 99.93% gem damage. So take that 4775 gem crit, hell, let's make it a doublecast, and hit for 9550. Then cast it oh, 1428 times to make sure we hit once. Even casting every second(it's really about 1.5 seconds), that's 9550/1428 DPS, or 6.68. Now, the 96 2H can double attack(I won't included bloodlet or possible pot, there's your answer BtB), every 40 delay, or ~5.7 seconds. With a chance to avoid melee damage of ~65%, that's 40.435% to block and 41.76% to parry, with first classes conflicting actually, so slightly less. that's still 9606*0.65/5.7, or 1095 DPS. ROFL. 2H 1095 vs DDs 6.68. Now who's talking?

Ok yes, these examples mean squat, but my point is, you can't assume a ton of things and prove it with numbers. You have to take into consideration everything. You are not doing this. It takes a lot more work that you probably even realize, even though you're trying to do a ton of math to prove points. Max crits...are great. It's awesome to see high ##s. DPS is solid, but with so many skills affecting it, and different types of defenses reducing that damage, along with better stats. It's almost impossible to get a accurate example. I started at one point to throw around some DPS numbers and abruptly stopped, because I realized there were so many other things I had to account for. Approximations are great, but are never spot on. So just...STOP throwing around numbers. Until you think you can incorporate everything. Dear sweet baby Jesus just STOP for a few weeks, and work on putting absolutely EVERYTHING into this, until you decide to spout numbers for certain types to get buffs until you KNOW FOR A FACT 100% that they need it. This is getting ridiculous.

by the way 96 2h crusher has insanely high delay and bad accuracy

also, let's come to the agreement that when we do magic resistance calculations we don't assume we have a paladin/enchanter holding auras, because honestly, that almost never happens. same with paladin holding a flare up or flamecall- not really going to see it much.